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Sasha Laferte: And I will be moderating your webinar today. Today’s webinar is going to be on getting a larger ROI out of regular PM. So, again, let me introduce myself, my name is Sasha and I’ll be moderating for today. Before we get started, I just want to give you a brief overview of what today’s webinar is going to entail as well as a short introduction for our speaker today. Today’s webinar will start with a slideshow presentation by our in-house expert, Kevin Coulon.
He’ll be discussing a variety of topics with you all related to cost savings through preventative maintenance. This webinar will teach you how to create, streamline and optimize a preventative maintenance calendar so as to get the most cost savings. This webinar will cover everything from high level management tactics to nitty-gritty maintenance procedures. At the end of this presentation, there will be an open Q&A. You can ask by typing it into your chat pane on the right where it says, “Questions.”
All unanswered questions will be answered and sent out in an email after the presentation. In addition to the questions, all attendees will receive a recording of the presentation and a copy of the deck used.
Today’s speaker, Kevin Coulon, is the Preventative Maintenance Services and Emergency Response Manager for Triumvirate Environmental’s New England region. He manages the wastewater department, routine field services decontamination and on-site support. He also manages the emergency response program for all New England overseeing the program and responses. One of Kevin’s specialties is providing assessments of facilities from a regulatory standpoint and providing a detailed report of findings to help clients reach full environmental and safety compliance.
Having 00:01:47 to Triumvirate since 2005, Kevin also has experience as a Branch Manager, RCRA and DOT trainer and an Environmental specialist. And with that, I'm going to turn it over to you, Kevin.
Kevin Coulon: Thank you, Sasha. And as Sasha said, I've been with Triumvirate for the past 9 years, and over the last year and a half, we've been providing a facility care service. And just to give people a little background of what facility care is, the facility care program within Triumvirate is an interactive assessment of facilities to help identify areas needing an environmental PM. This would be interactive as we walk through the facility and it's a question and answer to find out what actual PM program we have and where you could enhance on your preventative maintenance. During the walk through, we'd also assess the risk of an environmental emergency and provide tips on preventing emergencies from case studies we've done at other facilities or what's worked for other clients that we've seen.
And we also try to help incorporate necessary PM's into your facility's daily routine. So, if there's something that we do identify, we try to help so you can cover it on your end. And then what we also do is provide a write-up of observations with recommendations and also give links to the regulations for each observation that's made. We also do identify observations that could be the best managing practice and identify the preventative maintenance that you currently have that's meeting the regulations.
So, our key message today is to help identify areas of maintaining a preventative maintenance program to enhance regulatory compliance. And who is responsible for Environmental PMs?
Facility managers are a big player in Environmental PMs. Most facility managers often oversee oil water separators and catch basins and grease traps and do a lot of work with confine space. And then there are EHS managers which are constantly updating safety programs, reviewing safety equipment and they are also inspecting main accumulation areas and satellite accumulation areas and everything to do with waste at a facility. And then the third type of managers are Property managers where you're overseeing a large number for our properties and you could be conducting PMs on extinguishers, it could be storm water pollution prevention, plan inspections, SPCC inspections, dealing with elevators and elevator hydraulic oils.
And then in some cases, you could be one person that's covering facilities, EHS and property managers. So, for…
Sasha: Alright... Sorry, Kevin. I'm just going to launch a poll now. If everybody could participate that'd be great. I just want to know if on a scale of 1 to 5, 5 being the best and 1 being the worst, how would you rate your current preventative maintenance program?
So, I’ll just everybody a couple of seconds to answer that.
Kevin: While you're thinking about how your facility would stand up to a surprise inspection based off of preventative maintenance, this could be from an OSHA inspection to an EPA inspection to potentially a Fire department inspection. So, if you think of the whole, think of all agencies that could potentially be walking at your facility.
Sasha: Alright, great. Thank you guys and we'll give you back to Kevin now.
Kevin: So, what you'll learn today are regulatory PMs that are out there, who regulates them and some guidance as to what to look for in a regulatory PM. Some best managing practice preventative maintenance programs that are out there. Best managing practice on a regulation doesn't require that you do it but it's a best managing practice to conduct the preventative maintenance. Also, some new trends that are out there from other agencies and some new players. As we think of OSHA, EPA and DOT and NFPA, there are some other agencies that are starting to look at preventative maintenance programs.
And then also how to be prepared. What happens if you have an emergency and how can you prevent that and how can you be fully prepared in the event an emergency does happen?
So, you might be thinking, 'How do I keep up with the regulatory compliance through a PM schedule? There are so many agencies to comply with, which one takes precedence? Or what other PMs should I be tracking within my facility? Am I currently missing a regulatory PM? I know that I'm hitting everything from a RCRA or an EPA standpoint but I didn't really think of that particular PM that could be under OSHA regulations. Am I required to cover the PM on all parts of my facility?'
And this comes down to if you own your property and if you don't own your property and you're leasing it, have you ever looked through your lease agreement to see which part of the building preventative maintenance is under you. Do you have to cover the fire extinguishers or the exit signs or... What is your landlord responsible for?
So, in overview of the 3 main topics that we're going to hit on today is maintenance to prevent an emergency, who regulates the need for preventative maintenance program and then the implementation of an inspection based for preventative maintenance program. And these 3 points are to help identify areas of maintaining the preventative maintenance program to enhance your regulatory compliance.
The first topic that I'd like to cover is the maintenance to prevent an emergency. In most cases, people tend to run to fail and we sometimes overlook some of the preventative maintenance that should be done on equipment because we've tested it once and we believe that it's going to work next time we need it. So, what would we look like during an incident is a question to ask yourself and have we ever practice running through an emergency situation?
Doing a practice of an emergency can help identify areas to improve upon and also identify areas that maybe wasn't thought of when you first wrote your emergency action plan.
When you developed your environmental PM program to prevent the risk of an environmental emergency, you should be looking at, could it be a chemical emergency? Could it be a petroleum product emergency? Could it be something that happens internal within my facility or what happens if it's external? If it's out on the property it's released to the environment. And then also taking a walk through and looking to see what could be your worst case scenario and how can we prevent the worst case from happening?
The environmental PMs, we could identify a few of them with oil water separators and catch basins and grease traps to name a few of them. The oil water separators, they're made to separate out the oil and going through and inspecting the actual unit and knowing what the manufacturer specifications are talking about for when it should be cleaned will really help with maintaining the oil water separator.
Recently, we've actually had to respond to a facility whose oil water separator failed which resulted in a large clean up and providing a PM program could have prevented an emergency.
And then with catch basins, to prevent an environmental emergency, if you have a catch basin at a loading dock if you ever look through what happens if the hydraulic climber of the truck goes or if a bottle breaks when it's being delivered, how are you going to protect the catch basin from a chemical release or an oil release to that actual piece of equipment? And then also what level should the catch basins be pumped at? Are you regulated under a storm water pollution plan that requires how you clean them out or are you going to do a best managing practice? And then there are also the manufacturer specifications that could let you know when you should be cleaning them out.
And then the other one that's listed is grease traps. Grease traps are starting to become a big target with some agencies that are out there, and looking at are they actually being cleaned and are they being inspected. And grease traps can be a little bit tougher because you can have your state regulations and then a lot of towns are starting to require the environmental PM. And to do the preventative maintenance on it, you want to prevent the fats, oils, grease and solids or fogs from releasing out of the grease trap and they can get caught up in the lines and they can also cause a backup that could come back into your facility.
And also looking at response equipment for fire extinguishers and eye wash and safety showers. And in most cases, a fire extinguisher, you need to be trained to use it but you also have to conduct the monthly preventative maintenance and the annual recharge of each fire extinguisher. You want to make sure that they are up to code so if somebody did have to take it down, it'd be usable. And the eye wash and safety showers to make sure that you're flushing them and that they're clear and readily usable if somebody needed an emergency.
And spill kits are big for response equipment. A good PM procedure with a spill kit is to take a list of everything that's in each individuals spill kit, type it out on a piece of paper, you laminate it and put in on the backside of the lid so when you go to do an inspection, you know right away what should be in there. And what some other people are doing is actually putting tamper tape on the outside of the spill kits. Also going through with people and letting them know what the spill kit is for.
Now, we've walked through a couple of facilities where people go to the spill kits and grab spill pads to clean up spilled water which becomes an expensive paper towel at that point.
And then other equipment that's out there are limestone chip tanks. In some cases, people let those go until you start smelling odor and they're no longer being used or the gasket at the top is broken and you have water coming out. And wastewater tanks, when there's a build-up of an algae where there's residue on the outside of the tanks to go through and clean those to make sure that they're working properly.
The main accumulation area secondary containments, these would be your main accumulation areas that have the grated floors. And if you look through and you see waste at the bottom, you want to make sure that it's clean so you can do the inspection and if you did have some of them spill, it wouldn't react with what's in the secondary containment at that present time.
And one other area are air handlers on your roofs so make sure that you are doing the preventative maintenance. Especially up here in the New England region, when winter's coming and the air handler goes and then you have no warm air pushing through, where we've actually done a large ER for a facility that the air handler went and the water lines broke and it created a large amount of downtime. And in those cases, you lose some money on the clean-up and then you're also losing money by not producing anything.
These are just a few photos of some examples that I just talked about with the one on the left being a secondary containment where you can't see the floor and you wouldn't be able to do a proper inspection. So, doing a preventative maintenance program for this area may be lifting the grates once or twice a year after a shipment, cleaning it out and collecting the material and make sure it's clean.
And then the one on the right is a picture of grease lines that if you don't do the preventative maintenance on the grease trap, you can have grease solidify in the pipes and then you can get sagging in the pipes and it can backup and cause a sewer backup in your facility.
The next three is the one on the left is a limestone chip tank that is actually, this particular one that collects samples from right after and then you can tell the color of it. This one actually hadn't been cleaned when we have gotten there in 6 years and now it's clear and you can see through it. And the middle one is the eye wash and safety shower.
If someone was to use that in the event of an emergency, they'd have to move the plant. And we found this in a lot of areas where people are piling things in front of eye wash and safety showers or they're using them as a coat rack.
And the last one on the right is from an SPCC plant and that's an oil well. An oil reservoir that have let go and there was no 00:15:55 to stop the oil from releasing to the environment and this particular one released right outside and into a parking garage. In that case, you have to worry about it getting into a catch basin and then how you could have a reportable quantity that you have to send in to the state.
Alright, our next topic is out of all these preventative maintenance we just talked about, who regulates the need for preventative maintenance program? You want to ask yourself, is our preventative maintenance program build to satisfy all parties who regulate each preventative maintenance?
And when you look up there, there are multiple agencies that are regulating. There's federal, there's state and then there's local towns where you could have the EPA, you could have OSHA, you could have your DEP, the regional water authority or up here is Massachusetts it's the MWRA. It could also be the local POTW. I know in Connecticut, it's regulated by the DEEP and then you also have an 00:17:07 which is in Rhode Island.
And as you go through each state, you're going to have multiple different agencies that are either state certified or it's a federal agency coming in. These are regulatory agencies there are also standards that are out there through NFPA and through ANSI. And when you look at NFPA and ANSI as RCRA or DEP or an OSHA authority may come through, they’re going to reference NFPA or ANSI standards.
So, under the environmental agencies and what they cover, the EPA or your state RCRA would cover your oil water separators. In some cases, they are covering your catch basins. They're covering your secondary containments and your full main accumulation areas. They're also covering your grease traps, they're covering the SPCC plants and they're also covering your satellite accumulation areas, and everybody knows to check the satellite accumulation area but you're also looking to see if you have secondary containment and you're having compatible separators.
When you look at OSHA, OSHA is going to be looking at your safety programs. Have they been updated? Do they have all the new regulations? Are you complying with everything that OSHA's put out there? We've all went through within the last year that global harmonization and having to train everybody prior to December 1st of last year.
They're also going to be looking at your safety equipment. They can be looking at confine space and are your people trained and how are you doing confine space entry to maybe fix a pump. And also, they're going to be looking at your chemical storage. When we look at chemicals and emergencies, we think they're waste and that's EPA and RCRA but what about the stock chemicals and how do we prevent an emergency from happening with the stock chemical that's just in storage?
And also looking at your water authority that's going to be covering your sampling if you're required to do sampling. Most facilities that are located on a wetland or if they're under a sweep plan are going to be required to do sampling of wastewater. They're also going to cover under the clean water act.
They're going to monitor your discharge limits and then also the grease traps are covered under water authority. 00:19:36 are covered by the MWRA and they're also covered by the state and then when you look at each individual state in town, some of the POTW's are covering the water authorities.
Then other agencies that are out there, a new player that's come up recently are insurance companies. And we've gone through a few facilities where the insurance company have refused to re-issue there insurance plan until they start doing their preventative maintenance inspections of their fire extinguishers and their exit signs. And what the insurance company is doing is taking the NFPA guidance and using that as a stepping stone saying, ‘You need to do this otherwise, we're not going to give you your insurance policy.’
And then the other players, cities and towns are now starting to look at grease traps even more. And in some towns, in 2 towns in particular that we've gone through, they've gone to the extreme of making each individual agency that had a grease trap install a meter that will let them know when the grease trap is at 25% full. And one it reaches 25% full, it actually notifies the fire department within that town and they know that you need to pump out the tank.
We've also seen that cities and towns are now looking at oil water separators and catch basins and they're not necessarily going out and they're sticking each catch basin on each oil water separator. What they're doing in 2, 3 particular towns that we've done work in now is they're looking at the engineering drawings. So, when the permit is put in to create the building and they have all the plans and the engineer puts in specifications for the catch basin and the oil water separator, the town's now coming through and asking, "Well, it says you need to inspect this monthly and clean it quarterly. Where are all your records?"
So, you want to know what your full preventative maintenance program needs to be and make sure that you're covering everybody that's an actual environmental agency and then other agencies that are out there like your city, your town, your building inspector, your insurance company. And then the other one that is across the board in all states are fire departments, and the fire departments are going to set up your flammable storage limits.
And those flammable storage limits, they're going to want to see reports that come out usually on a quarterly basis, sometimes annual and in some cases, they want to see them monthly to make sure that you are below you flammable storage limit. And it also has to do with what type of building you’re at. Are you a 1-storey building or you're a 10-storey high rise? And how much can you have on the 10th floor and how much can you have on the 2nd floor is going to be greatly different and they're going to want to see that you are managing that.
And the other industry specific agencies that are out there, Joint commission is one that comes to mind and the health care sector where if you look at the joint commission, they actually require an environmental PM. They want to see that you have a PM program in place when they come to do your audit. And ENC is across the board for industry specific is they’re going to set the standards that OSHA and EPA and RCRA are going to cite when they come through and do an assessment.
The next few photos are a few different areas where you could be doing preventative maintenance. The one on the top left is a grease trap. Often, grease traps get forgotten because they're down in the basement. This one, you can tell you got to duck your head to get to it and it’s one of those that gets pushed off to the side because it's not going to be the easiest preventative maintenance to do.
And then the one in the middle are fire extinguishers. If you don't have a fire extinguisher inspection program, it's important that you do have it on a monthly basis and if you flip over the tag on each fire extinguisher, you'll notice that you have 12 boxes. And each one is for each month that you can identify that you've inspected it and date it.
The one on the far right is an emergency eye wash, a portable eye wash. There are ANSI standards which I’ve talked about a few times in this presentation but I've also talked about manufacturer specifications. And when you look at a portable eye wash, each portable eye wash comes with a saline solution that's in there that does expire and needs to be replaced. And if you read on the portable eye wash, particularly if you have one of these green apparatus and on the actual yellow handle in the right side green section, it list out that this one needs to be drained every 3 months and refilled with saline. And often when we walked through, these get installed and they get touched again and they're left there.
So, making sure that you are going through and you're not just meeting the ANSI standard but you're meeting the manufacturer specification for each piece of equipment.
And then in the bottom left, I did talked about OSHA and OSHA's covering chemical storage preventative maintenance. This is a picture of a chemical storage where they have inorganic acid stored with organic acid stored with flammable stored with oxidizers. And incompatibles as with hazardous waste need to be separated but incompatibles that are storage chemicals should also be separated.
A quick, easy tip with acids and bases is looking at the color code and doing a quick look at a cabinet to see if you have a green cap which is Ammonium Hydroxide next to a blue cap which is Hydrochloric Acid, you know you need to move those. Or if you have it next to yellow which is Sulfuric Acid or red which is Nitric and brown which is acidic. Making sure that these are separated so you don't have a chemical reaction.
We have had a few emergencies that we've had to respond to where people had materials stored in a refrigerator next to each other and the chemicals actually reacted to each other being just in the presence of each other, creating a gas that actually knocked the person down when they opened the refrigerator and sent them to the hospital which resulted in going in as an unknown and cleaning the refrigerator and identifying what the chemicals are and packaging them out. So, making sure that incompatibles are separated will prevent them from reacting as they sit there in storage.
And the last topic that we're going to be talking about today is the implementation of inspection-based preventative maintenance. How do we implement this and how do we put it into play and when should we be doing each inspection?
So, routine inspections are the first step in identifying a potential issue. That's also going to help prevent the run-to-fail mentality. By setting up inspections, you can go through and you're going to identify when there is an issue and you're going to be able to fix it. And at that point, it could be a small issue.
It's similar to putting your car in for an oil change. We all know that at 6,000 and some cases, at only 3,000 miles, you go in for an oil change but what if you let it go for twice as long, 12,000, now you come in, you have other issues that resulted from not doing our routing maintenance.
Part of doing an inspection-based preventative maintenance program in your facility will help you identify these areas and prevent having an environmental emergency or an environmental release such as a chemical release or a petroleum product release. The frequency of the inspection is going to be based on what you're actually inspecting. Weekly inspections will be something like a main accumulation area or satellite accumulation area or universal waste area under EPA or your state DEP.
Monthly inspections are items such as grease traps, oil tanks under your SPCC program, if your SPCC plan requires you to do monthly inspections, fire extinguishers and one that's often missed are exit signs and emergency exit light and knowing if those units are hardwired or if they are on battery backup. If they're on hardwired, well, your generator's being turned on at least monthly to make sure they work and they're being turned on annually to make sure you have a 90-minute test of the exit light and the emergency exit sign.
And then there are also quarterly inspections which could be your oil water separators which most manufacturer specifications require at least quarterly. Or it could be waste water sampling, and then another annual inspection that's out there is the annual review of your safety programs to make sure that any changes that have come through within the last year are now incorporated into your safety program. And have we used our safety program in the last year and was there an issue or should we update it?
The other thing to do annually is to go through your emergency action plan. What happens if you have an emergency? You should inspect to make sure that everybody knows what they should be doing. Who’s tracking the visitors and who's taking attendance of everybody that's outside and who's making sure that the right, the fire department or the police department is notified of an issue that's happening at your site?
And doing these practice runs annually will help identify issues when you would have a potential emergency. And then to ask a question of why to inspect, you want to inspect to prevent downtime. Everybody needs to be working to create money for the company and if you have downtime, you have lost labor and you also have lost revenue coming in to your facility.
Something's that you want to prevent downtime on are mixing tanks or air handlers. You want to make sure that if you're doing your grease traps that it doesn't backup then it could shut down a school or could close down a wing of a hospital. It could close down part of an industrial facility.
Most recently, with the cold we’ve been getting up here, we’ve seen a lot of sewage ER’s that have been called in and that’s because of pumps that have malfunctioned. And then the other reason to inspect is manufacturer recommendation. Most agencies, when they come in, if there’s not a regulation around that particular piece of equipment then they’re going to go to the manufacturer’s recommendation of when you should be maintaining that piece of equipment and if you have the manufacturer’s recommendation, then they’re going to ask how come it wasn’t followed.
And then the other reason to inspect is to be prepared. Being prepared in the event of an emergency happens will mitigate a larger spill by having procedures that are solid and that are in place and everybody knows what the procedures are. And with all that, you want to make sure that you’re training people to them. The people that are doing the inspection on these pieces of equipment are trained and know how to do the inspection and that also goes to the OSHA side and the RCRA side to make sure that if you are doing a job function, you’ve been trained on how to do that job function.
And a lot of the times when it comes to an emergency, it has to do with training. Where someone may not have known how to operate a particular piece of equipment which resulted in an emergency or there was an emergency and someone didn’t know what type of absorbent to put down and just couldn’t contact the right people. Training is always going to be a big part of the play for preventative maintenance and to help prevent downtime.
So, in summary of the 3 main topics, the maintenance to prevent an emergency, preventative maintenance is a huge front step to preventing an environmental emergency. Preventing an environmental emergency results in not having to submit a spill response report to the state. It also prevents costly bills that come in association with an emergency and it also prevents downtime.
And then also, who regulated a need for PM is, am I regulated under OSHA? Am I regulated under EPA? Am I regulated under my state DEP or my local town? Or am I now getting regulated by my insurance company to make sure that I have a current preventative maintenance program?
And then how to implement an inspection-based preventative maintenance program and when should you be doing the inspection program. And sometimes, the implementation of just setting it up can be the hardest part and actually knowing the regulations and see what needs to be inspected and what should be at the forefront of your inspections and which could be quarterly, which is monthly and which is weekly is going to really help set up an inspection-based environmental preventative maintenance program.
Our key message today, again, is to help identify areas of maintaining a preventative maintenance program to enhance regulatory compliance within your facility. At this point I would like to open more questions and if anybody has any questions on the topics that were covered or if there's something that wasn't covered but you got a question on a particular preventative maintenance program that you have currently in your facility.
Sasha: Yup, and again, you guys can just type those into your questions tab on the right, in the pane on the right. Our first question coming in, someone wants to know if you could give an example on a program that you've implemented in the past that has saved an organization money and if how you've done it and how you saved the money?
Kevin: In the last few months, we've implemented a preventative maintenance inspection program for, not a wastewater tank but it was actually the feed lines to the wastewater tanks. And why we implemented this is, a facility kept having emergency response from a material that was being spilled from the lines that were being used for the acid and the Sodium Hydroxide and it was filling the secondary containments. And it was costing a couple of thousand dollars each time an emergency was called in and what we did was stepped back and ask if we could come in and take a look at the actual feed lines coming from the acid and base to the wastewater tanks.
And by doing that, we found out that the tubing used was actually not meant for acids or bases and it will deteriorate very quickly. So, what we've done is help them build that into their program and now we provide monthly oversight and they're doing weekly oversight to make sure that the lines are still intact. They're doing their regular routine maintenance on the tank but we've now implemented a secondary kind of overlay inspection to prevent these emergencies coming through.
Sasha: Great. Next question, someone wants to know who should be the person conducting these inspections?
Kevin: The inspections at your facility would be based on the person's title and what actually they're doing at that particular time. If you're the only person that's running all the facilities and all of the EHS, if you have someone that could help you and take over some of the smaller inspections that you train and oversee them, it should definitely be somebody that's familiar with the equipment and then if you find out that the facility doesn't have someone that's familiar then with some customers, they've looked outside and they've actually hired an environmental company.
We've been hired for some of them to come in but we have the expertise of doing the inspections. But training is definitely number 1 for the person that would be doing each particular type of inspection.
Sasha: Great. Next question, how often and how should they be maintaining their eye wash and showers?
Kevin: That's actually a debate across multiple agencies. With ANSI, actually recommend that the eye wash should be flushed weekly similar to the safety shower. In some cases, people go through and they're constantly flushing them and it runs out of time and some facilities have actually started doing them monthly. When you're looking at it, it really comes down to what the water looks like when it comes through. The ANSI standard does say weekly but weekly can be very tough to get done.
If an OSHA auditor was to come through and you had a program that showed that you do inspect them monthly and they come clean each time, you really wouldn't get a hassle. However, if you were going through and you weren't inspecting them monthly and someone was 00:38:07 and it came out brown, then you have an issue.
The other thing that comes into play with eye wash and safety shower inspection and we start to see this a lot with areas of new construction is that the water starts to come through brown when there's a lot of construction in the area. So, it really comes down to at least doing them monthly but it is recommended by ANSI to do them weekly.
Sasha: Alright, next question, is flushing and inspecting eye wash safety showers the same thing? Can we flush weekly and just inspect monthly?
Kevin: You could flush weekly and inspect monthly. And by inspection, it could be making sure that as the picture I had earlier, you don't have somebody putting a tree in the front of it and making sure that it's clear. A good thing to take away with eye wash and safety shower is knowing the dimensions where it should be a 16 inch radius from the center of the safety shower and a 6 inch radius to clearance from the eye wash.
And what a lot of people start to do is take the yellow and black delineation tape and measure out that 16 inches and put the tape down so they can do an easy monthly inspection and in some cases with the flushing and the inspection, sometimes the plumbers are going around and they're doing the flushing and then maybe EHS is doing the inspections but that is something that if you show that you have a program that you're flushing them weekly and inspecting them monthly that would pass with an honor.
Sasha: Great. Someone wants to know if it makes sense to have one person issue the inspection and another to actually do the inspection to validate the program?
Kevin: To have a second level to make sure that it is done if you have that ability in your facility would definitely help because you have somebody that's maintaining to making sure that they're done. And also having multiple people if you're going through with your flushing... say, you're flushing an eye wash or you're doing fire extinguisher inspections and you have a thousand fire extinguishers to get through. Having multiple people that can do it and maybe one person overseeing it will help from someone just going through and writing their initials and doing an actual inspection.
But in some agencies and some facilities, they don't have 00:40:40 but if you did, I could definitely see a plus in having that where you're making sure that people are being helped to doing the inspections.
Sasha: Alright. I have one more question in the queue right now so if anybody else has questions, feel free to ask. We will definitely have time for it. If we don't have time for it, we'll answer it via email after the webinar. So, feel free to ask. Next question, how do I convince management to buy into this inspection-based preventative maintenance program?
Kevin: What we have done with a bunch of agencies is when we come through and we do our facility care walk, is we itemize the results and by level of regulatory best management and what they're currently doing. So, kind of like a stop light, a red, yellow and a green. And the red is regulatory and part of taking away from the regulatory is knowing what the potential fines are if you're not doing it and also knowing what the potential cost is of what happens if I had a release and it got to the environment. And why these preventative maintenance should be in place?
And taking that and going across a whole year where if you're on a budget, let's say a whole program could be, throw a number of $15,000 out there and one spill could be $30,000. And having that ongoing would prevent that moving forward. And just, what we found success for a lot of the clients that we've done this walk through where they can either incorporate it into their own program and get the budget or they've reached externally to get help with their preventative maintenance program is taking the regulations and showing the issues and providing the feedback on what would happen if an auditor came in or what is our potential risk if we don't do this. And when you start to put the dollar signs next to it, most management looks at it as a fine is way too much so we should start doing this. It's worth doing the inspections.
Sasha: Alright, I think that's it for questions. So, I think we're going to wrap up the webinar now. So, after the webinar everybody will be receiving an email. The email will include a copy of the presentation along with a recording so, if you have a few questions about that, you guys will get a copy of the presentation.
The email will also have a link to a survey asking you to rate this webinar. If you could fill that out, that'd be very helpful to our team so we can improve future webinars. You can find the future webinars at www.triumvirate.com/training/events. So, as we schedule those out, if you guys want to check back there, you can attend to our future webinars.
Stay tuned for an educational guide and other preventative maintenance materials later this week. We'll also be sending out a gift to all attendees to help you get started with your own preventative maintenance programs. Thanks again for attending. We hope to see you next time. Bye.